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kawaii_bat · Sep 15, 2005, 04:58 PM // 16:58

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Originally Posted by Aera Lure

No, its not that. They take a far larger share than the same number of human players.

Note: I state it as fact, since I believe and experience that it is. Its not, of course, fact, without supporting data. Not really that hard to test, I just have not tracked it that carefully.

They take an equal share of drops and gold it's just that you've alone and you notice it more because the items that go to them don't drop , while when you are with a party you see items dropping at the same speed as you.

The only possible reason that people are not getting *any* drops is because they've farmed the place too much and decrease their drop rate by so much they get nothing anymore, then they worry it's the hench, take a break, go with a party back later and get a few items.... which further makes them beleive that it's the henches fault.

But really it's a pit they've dug themselves in and haven't realized yet.

(notice I say they and not pointing fingers, I'm having a problem with drop rates, I,m not sure why but does being a monk affect drop rates in any way?)

Aera Lure · Sep 15, 2005, 05:08 PM // 17:08

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Originally Posted by kawaii_bat

They take an equal share of drops and gold it's just that you've alone and you notice it more because the items that go to them don't drop , while when you are with a party you see items dropping at the same speed as you.

No, its not that. Matters not if you see the drops (as you do with humans) or not (as you dont when with henchmen). Its even easier to tell then that, and very obvious: your inventory. Over time, lots of time replaying the same darn quests and areas and no, not farming, since I dont farm, its quite easy to start accumulating experience of observation. When I am in human groups I get more drops. Not a complaint (also, not a fact I realize). Just an observation, and one I'd think many would have made.

Algren Cole · Sep 15, 2005, 05:16 PM // 17:16

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Originally Posted by Aera Lure

No, its not that. They take a far larger share than the same number of human players.

Note: I state it as fact, since I believe and experience that it is. Its not, of course, fact, without supporting data. Not really that hard to test, I just have not tracked it that carefully.

so you mean unlike playing with human players you have to pay the mercenaries out of your personal inventory(i.e. they take a portion of your drops)...it seems logical to me.

I have no experience with hechman...I played with henchman probably 2% of the entire game(if that). So I'm going by what others say.

Carinae · Sep 15, 2005, 05:22 PM // 17:22

Could someone articulate exactly what the rule is regarding repeat trips and reduced drops? I am aware of A rule, but not sure what the specifics are.

How many times can I consecutively enter a zone before the reduction happens?
Do they have to be consecutive zonings? GF,GF,GF,GF,GF,Perdition rock, GF, GF....
Does zoning into SF reset the drops?
Does it reset every day, even if I haven't left the warcamp/GF/SF?

Algren Cole · Sep 15, 2005, 05:24 PM // 17:24

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Originally Posted by Carinae Dragonblood

Could someone articulate exactly what the rule is regarding repeat trips and reduced drops? I am aware of A rule, but not sure what the specifics are.

How many times can I consecutively enter a zone before the reduction happens?
Do they have to be consecutive zonings? SF,SF,SF,SF,SF,Perdition rock, SF, SF....
Does zoning into SF reset the drops?
Does it reset every day, even if I haven't left the warcamp/GF/SF?

I'm not sure if there is any solid data regarding this. I've farmed about 900 plat on my monk...and done it all in two places. I've never noticed a reduction in drops. Which is not to say that there isn't a reduction in drops from doing the same area over and over again. It's obvious that it exists within the game...maybe it's just faulty.

Elemental Evil · Sep 15, 2005, 05:54 PM // 17:54

I have experienced much the same with drop rate problems. Just doing the SF quest with henchies, not farming, I have never EVER seen a green item. Yet I have only been to SF with an actual group maybe 3 times and got a green twice. So yes, I believe the henchies do effect the drop rate of higher items. That is what I have experienced and you can use all the logic that you want to try to say it doesn't happen. Neither your so Called Logic, or yourself has played 700 hrs on my account to disprove what I have seen. I find it very amusing that some of people think they are the Gods of GW and have the absolute answer for all things unknown..lol

Anyway, I do agree that the luck factor is skewed with drops when you have henchies. Maybe some of us are just unlucky at the exact time that we choose to take henchies instead of real people...who knows.

Dr Morbius · Sep 15, 2005, 06:43 PM // 18:43

Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers... that smell bad.

mm00re · Sep 15, 2005, 06:43 PM // 18:43

Am I missing the boat here or what?

I have gone out with both 5 and 8 player teams, I have also gone out with myself and all the henches, when I was with human players, best thing i ever got was a major rune.

With (7) henchies I have gotten a sup vigor, a green shield, a nice gold half moon among other things, but I never go out expecting that I will ALWAYS get at least one godly item.

If something great drops I am happy, if not that's the way it goes and there is always next time.

It sounds to me like a bunch of spoiled third graders who don't get their way complaining about it and wanting mommy/anet to nerf the rest of the entire game for everyone else because they are having a bad day.

You will not always be lucky, enjoy the times you are and get yourself back in the game, how do you expect to find anything if you are here whining about it and not playing?

Szechwan Chi Qin · Sep 15, 2005, 07:37 PM // 19:37

I'm not into farming much, but someone should try farming a spot a set number of times (say 10 for example) with differing number of henchies; 10 griffon runs with one henchie, 10 griffon runs with two henchies, 10 griffon runs with three henchies, etc. It would be interesting to notice the drop ratios...

8^B

Algren Cole · Sep 15, 2005, 07:50 PM // 19:50

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Originally Posted by Szechwan Chi Qin

I'm not into farming much, but someone should try farming a spot a set number of times (say 10 for example) with differing number of henchies; 10 griffon runs with one henchie, 10 griffon runs with two henchies, 10 griffon runs with three henchies, etc. It would be interesting to notice the drop ratios...

8^B

I'm not sure how the W/Mo works but my 55 monk can't do the griffon run with a henchman in the party.

Pandora's box · Sep 15, 2005, 08:00 PM // 20:00

What most of you seem to forget is that SF is not meant to be a farming area. Of course we all want that green item that has max stats on the things you need most. And since SF is so huge its annoying and boring when you have to enter lots of times and dont find anything. My advice:
-Play there as long as you like and stop playing when it becomes repetative.
-Meanwhile farm other area, sell what you find and gather lots of gold.
-Eventually BUY that green item you like; prices will drop after a while.
-Remember that most green items only add something usefull for the better PvP players. In PvE they hardly make any difference (unless, maybe, in 1 or 2 solobuilds, but for those there are workarounds).

zehly · Sep 15, 2005, 09:05 PM // 21:05

I stopped reading after the false cause fallacy (because I like philisophical logic.) The rest of what I read (hehe) was simply an opinion, because it didn't come from ArenaNet. Therefore, until you here from ArenaNet, you are simply speculating.

It's aweful when the original poster of a thread starts its own flame war.

Anyways, if you find that your farming techniques are not yielding the results that you expect, then perhaps a new method will be necessitated. That is to say, you need to find a way to cope with it. The reason why your farming method doesn't work is a moot point, because it doesn't work, and fretting about it seems to be distracting you from your original intent: farming. So, I humbly suggest an effort on your behalf to find a more suitable method for farming.

I would suggest:
Instead of posting "GOD DAMNIT I CAN'T FARM WITH HENCHMEN",
Try: "Does anyone have experience farming the new area solo as a X/X?"

It is not my intent to chastize or patronize anyone, as that is outside my realm of abilities. I'm merely pointing out the most logical, effiecent method for soloving the problem.

~zehly

Eternal Equinox · Sep 15, 2005, 09:21 PM // 21:21

Drops are pretty bad. I mean, i have over 1,300+ logged on my main account and i have yet to even find a Superior Absorption let alone anything else remotely rare. Sometimes i just think it's my account. But i just know the loot system is pretty messed up.

Tijger · Sep 16, 2005, 06:59 AM // 06:59

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Originally Posted by Eternal Equinox

Drops are pretty bad. I mean, i have over 1,300+ logged on my main account and i have yet to even find a Superior Absorption let alone anything else remotely rare. Sometimes i just think it's my account. But i just know the loot system is pretty messed up.

Well, then please explain why I have found a Sup Absorp, 3 greens, countless golds (granted, most pretty useless) and purples in Grenths with both henches and humans?

Drops can be bad, drops can be good. First time I went to FoW I had a godly item, 2 rubies and 2 shards drop, last 3 times I went out there I barely made 2K *shrug*. It's how the cookie crumbles.

RodentRuler · Sep 16, 2005, 07:58 AM // 07:58

Props to LathalDraugr for his review and criticism of my opinions!

My primary purpose in starting this thread was to spark some actual thought on the issue, instead of taking people's word without examining its truth (so you can't take my word for it, either).

As for the arguments he presents, my summarized response is that my "logic" is based on the fact that the people who do post complaints are the ones who have experienced bad drops (I don't often see posts of good drops), and any assumptions based on those secondary sources are as a whole biased because they use incomplete information (what I mean is, for every visible post of bad drops, there is an unposted one of good drops).

Therefore, the data collected from hearsay and incomplete information are not valid, but I am not professing that the resultant inference is false because false information is used.

As to why we should not accept a conclusion based on appearance of truth from multiple instances, the continual repetition of an assertion is not evidence that makes the statement more valid--argumentum ad nauseam (sorry, but I love logical arguments even though they can be somewhat self-contradictory).

Thanks to everyone for your comments, but don't make any unnecessary accusations of "flaming" (though I did find it amusing how the "ad hominem" implied such) because, simply put, it annoys me, and I will feel that the way in which I posed my opinions was misinterpreted.

I would enjoy a continued discussion/debate (a sensible one, not a shouting contest) when I have the time to do so this weekend for anyone who is up to it (particularly LathalDraugr).

XXL-FLEA · May 02, 2008, 04:32 PM // 16:32

I play with henchies more than 70% of the time and only team up with Humans 30 % of the Time i Have 5 Characters that are all level 20 and have played more hours since i received the game in Dec than i would like to admit. LOL

I have gotten ~6 greens my Wife has gotten ~8 We have gotten them when we are teamed up and when we were solo.. i havent noticed a difference. We dont farm, both have all 4 campaigns and havent finished any of them yet although we are very close in Prop,EOTN, and Nightfall.

We have never been to the underworld and gotten the greens just doing regular campains and missions and running around killing things tryng to make $$. I gotta say 4 Months into GW i am Addicted

Its a Great Game and i look forward to going home and killing some monsters

HEHE

Saraphim · May 02, 2008, 04:57 PM // 16:57

Nice to see someone being positive for a change though!

I was actually wondering where all the alleged whinge threads about thieving henchies were were till I clocked the date after I got bored halfway down the OP.

Parson Brown · May 02, 2008, 05:14 PM // 17:14

Search, and people shout Thread Necromance

Don't search, and people shout Uz Srch Plz!!1!!1

You can't win...

BUT, glad you're having fun!

Bryant Again · May 02, 2008, 05:28 PM // 17:28

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Originally Posted by Parson Brown

Search, and people shout Thread Necromance

Don't search, and people shout Uz Srch Plz!!1!!1

You can't win...

True that to justice. I think I saw a mod do the same thing within about 15 minutes. Thankfully, he's not here anymore.

But yes, glad that you're enjoying the game, flea

I also don't recall ever being real "disadvantaged" due to H/H. They just take they're stuff like any other player.

Creeping Carl · May 02, 2008, 06:09 PM // 18:09

Well, I'm glad someone revived this thread because the OP was a good post even if some of the points are outdated now.